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#1 2010-05-09 22:52:21

Innerconflict
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From: South Suburbs of Chicago
Registered: 2005-12-09

So I've finally given in and tried it. . . .

A super tweeter, that is.

I had an unused automotive speaker box that I had aquired with the purchase of a previous vehicle , so I snatched the Piezo tweeters from it .

I couldn't leave them stock, and I'm glad I didn't ! They were different drivers , although they appeared to be the same from the external view.

The compression "star" of each driver was slightly different from one another , and one of them had considerable plastic flashing (excess from the mold) and blobs of hot glue blocking the openings of the compression "star" . On that same driver, the manufacturer had used hot glue to attach the Piezo element to the paper cone ! I carefully seperated it with an X-Acto and reattached the Piezo element to the paper cone with some superglue after a careful cleaning.

Next step was to remove the rear chamber from behind the paper element. You know , the plastic "cup" that the terminals are molded into ? So I pulled out my Dremel and a cutoff wheel and basically removed the whole rear "cup" except for two small tabs to hold the terminals. No more nasty reflections radiating directly back into the paper element ! Nice dipolar output to match my 'Rads .

I reused the 17 ohms of resistors they had from the factory ( they were originally a 10 ohm and a 7 ohm in series, then series with the driver ) , but wired them across the terminals and used a .47 Poly cap for a X-over . If I calculated correctly , this should be about 6db down at 10khz.

I've only listened to one album thus far (Mark Knopfler), but am impressed with the extra "air" and the obvious extension in the highs. No real misgivings so far. I'll have to try some more and different styles of music.

At this point, I will say "Success !"  Thanks for the idea , all those that have used and posted about the use of Piezo super tweeters !

I'll try to get some pics up soon. Here's a link to a similar driver : http://www.adelcom.net/MOTOROLA_ksn1038a.htm



Gotta go chow and listen some more. I'll post more listening impressions and some pics soon.

....................................Blake


Keep it simple.

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#2 2010-05-10 00:23:13

Innerconflict
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From: South Suburbs of Chicago
Registered: 2005-12-09

Re: So I've finally given in and tried it. . . .

Alright, listened to some Leo Kottke, some Shadowfax, and rockin some Jethro Tull right now.

Amazing how much info is in the 10-20khz region ! I assume mostly overtones/harmonics , etc .

Tweets seem a bit hot, perhaps a little bit of series resistance will tame it. Then again, maybe it just seems hot cuz I'm not used to it !

I think the tweets would sound better closer to the 12"s , I have them a good 6" or so above them, with a single screw holding them to the baffle edge. There is some discontinuity in the imaging/soundstage.

I wonder if this is due to the spacing or that the tweeter has a cap inline while the woofer is direct connected to the amp (phase differences ? ) ?


Again, I will claim success ! Needs some revision, but a good first effort !


.........................Blake


Keep it simple.

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#3 2010-05-10 12:49:44

hitsware
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From: Sacramento, Ca.
Registered: 2005-08-06
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Re: So I've finally given in and tried it. . . .

>There is some discontinuity in the imaging/soundstage

Ever since I've gotten used to FR drivers I've had that
problem with any tweeter (or woofer for that matter)
I've tried. Mounting the tweeter in the center of the
larger driver would be optimum.
Or dare to be great and put it on the back of the magnet
(facing the walls) ..... air is air (omnidirectional) ..... <|:^))

>Tweets seem a bit hot, perhaps a little bit of series
>resistance will tame it.

Yes. Piezos are efficient.

Last edited by hitsware (2010-05-10 22:10:55)

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#4 2010-05-11 19:22:59

karlsonkab
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Registered: 2006-03-21

Re: So I've finally given in and tried it. . . .

tweeter centered mounted on a bracket eliminates the disconcerting spatial "jumps" which are heard up with offset multidriver setups.   A coaxial with poor crossover may smear transients but it won't have that offset.  Its one reason why I don't wish to do a 3-way open baffle.   Maybe some folks have good enough crossovers where its not heard.

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